noneofmany writes:
Most of these entities would have came into existence in some form or another without our involvement anyway.
The conceptual basis of Al Qaeda was first formally proposed and created by an Egyptian Arab long before The Afghan and Iraq wars. Even the Israeli conflict was nascent when the idea being fermented. At the time the Arabs weren’t powerful enough to seriously persecute distant cultural groups like they once had, but the plan was there. Just about the only thing that changed over the years was the switch to guerrilla tactics when they realized conventional wars favored powers like the west and the USSR.
Maybe what happens on the Korean Peninsula isn’t our business, but we didn’t create the North Korean government. The reds outright invaded the country and tried to force them to accept the most extreme form of Stalinism ever created, and to literally worship the Il family. We defended the south and the north and Chinese weren’t able to seize it. Saying we created them is like saying that we created a divided Europe by rejecting Nazism. Also, China was the workhorse of the project to keep north and South Korea separate since it’s inception. Now, younger Chinese leaders view supporting North Korea as a mistake, and want a unified Korea ruled by the South Korean government/US alliance.As for pollution. Feh! The us creates a lot of carbon pollution but the third world creates all sorts of pollutants that are even worse. Third and second world countries have also repeatedly opposed even the most trivial environmental protection measures as a voting block. I’ve even seen cases where corporations in south east Asia and New Guinea were so shocked by how callous the locals were with water contamination and erosion that they ended begging the government to let them take some extra time to do some very basic mitigation procedures. They were told they would either do it fast or they could fuck off and the Chinese would be brought in. The developed world uses a lot of carbon, but in the long term there other power sources. Over populated third world shitholes that dump industrial toxins directly into the rivers of their natural parks will always be screwed.
Also. If erosion of civil liberties causes terrorism then why don’t countries like China or Singapore (or North Korea) have lots of domestic terrorism?
If domestic terrorism is our fault for our oppression, doesn’t that make our involvement in Asia and Middle East their fault? Considering their near total denial of things like civil liberties and brutality to dissenters.
Who is this Egyptian? Qutb? He never proposed Al Qaeda.
Nor did Zawahiri, but the roots of it did come out of Egyptian Islamic Jihad. What happened was after 1980 much o the the now-radicalized Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood went to Saudi Arabia because they were thrown out of Egypt. Also the now completely radicalized Syrian Muslim Brotherhood went to Saudi Arabia too after Hama in 1983. There they became religion teachers and the MB activist philosophy along with Wahhabism (which at the time was quietist, but become militant when infused with MB activism) started to progress this thinking. But really all of this got started with the Afghan jihad. It was the first real international jihad and this is what started the real Al Qaeda which was formed by Zawahiri, an Egyptian, and bin Laden, a Saudi (see Egyptian-Saudi combustion in Saudi Arabia above). It was only formed in 1989 or so.
There is no way on Earth that any Chinese leaders want a Korea ruled by the US and South Korea. Are you kidding? That is US propaganda.
The North has been trying to settle this mess forever. Both sides are still officially at war. The US is officially at war too. The US wants that situation on a permanent war footing and they do not want to settle it or even have a peace treaty. They want to keep this is a virtual hot war trigger all this time. Also we have been threatening them with nukes forever, which caused them to get nukes. The North Koreans would like some sort of a peace treaty, but the US wants war, so South Korea goes along.
The thing is that it is the US and the West, mostly the US, who has blown up this climate crisis and that is the biggest problem facing us right now. The Third World didn’t blow up the climate. The West did, and not only that, but the US refuses to fix it.
US corporations have been horrific polluters over in SE Asia and New Guinea, especially in New Guinea. There is a mining company called Freeport McMillan that has ruined the whole country. If you go against them, they have you killed. And they pollute like nuts. This whole thing about US corporations dying to put in some pollution controls must be some sort of a sick joke.
What good are other sources than carbon when the climate blows up? What good will they do then?
Also. If erosion of civil liberties causes terrorism then why don’t countries like China or Singapore (or North Korea) have lots of domestic terrorism?
I agree that was a lousy argument.
