Suddenly they would incorporate a detail like Victorian wallpaper in their illustrations, and we’d be like, “Alright, the inside of Richard’s head is Victorian, that’s cool.” We were really able to stretch and honestly, for me personally, it was extremely illuminating and freeing as an artist to realize that it just goes as far as your head. In a documentary, it doesn’t. In a documentary, you gotta adhere to some rules, but when you are looking for flights of fancy and imaginings and renderings of memories, you can do whatever you want and you can control it. It was really fun for all of us to get into that world because we weren’t experienced with it at all, and we loved doing it with them. Something is off about the imagery in a way that matches the series. I actually just spoke with them today because we are doing another project together, and they are so funny. They always bring out a six-foot ruler during our virtual chats, and they put on a whole show for us. They are so excited about the show premiering in England, and I’m telling them that they better get ready because I think there is going to be interest in their work when this comes out in the US. I really hope they get discovered.
I love how bounty hunter Carla Campbell provides some much-needed levity with her foul-mouthed swagger reminiscent of Frances McDormand in “Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri.”
RG: She is a no-brainer documentary film character. She is exactly the same off camera as she is on camera, and that’s always a good sign of someone who is going to really deliver. It’s not an act, although she seems imaginary, and she was so passionate about catching this guy, she really was. For some reason, she had a bee in her bonnet over him. She thought he represented every piece of shit guy that has ever existed. Carla was a very wonderful quarterback for women that had never done such a thing—us included—so she was a great leader of the revenge squad. She is good at what she does while being totally irreverent and kooky as all get out. She was a great discovery.
What can be done to stop people like Richard from walking free and hurting others, apart from making a galvanizing docuseries about him?
HE: I was going to say make a series about him! [laughs] Look, law enforcement is not going to help women in these situations. It’s got a terrible track record, and it’s inherently sexist. If you dated a guy that scammed you, no one is going to help you. You’re on your own, so women need to be hyper-careful and men need references. You need to have three references before you go on a date with a man, and you need to call multiple people. It’s so crazy that people can invent whatever stories that they want, so sadly, defensive dating is a necessity.
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