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Oh, Look! Another Example of How UNSAFE Those Gun Friendly States ARE!

Posted on the 06 September 2011 by Mikeb302000
One of the problems I have with shootings, whether shootings like this, or Castle Doctrine shootings, or gangland violence, or domestic killings, and suicides.....there is no doubt in my mind that at the time the shooting takes place, the shooter is convinced that they are in the right, that they are justified.
Except that to the rest of, such justification is not present, not very often, not with any consensus.  Gun nuts will excuse almost any shooting, or hold it up as some kind of justification for their guns.  Mostly, we're better off without them than with them.  I noticed one of the local witnesses states that 'this takes place in 3rd world countries, not here'.  No, these shootings take place here more often than a lot of other places, including some third world countries.  Although we're headed that way, with the decline of our middle class, and the growing gap between the mega-wealthy 2% and the rest of us....
From MSNBC.com:

4 dead, 6 wounded in shooting at Nevada restaurant

Two of the dead identified as National Guardsmen

Image: Emergency personnel respond to a shooting at an IHOP restaurant Cathleen Allison  /  AP
Emergency personnel respond to a shooting at an IHOP restaurant in Carson City, Nev. on Tuesday, Sept. 6, 2011. msnbc.com staff and news service reports updated 2 hours 24 minutes ago 2011-09-06T19:11:23
CARSON CITY, Nevada — A gunman with an automatic rifle opened fire at an IHOP restaurant in Nevada's capital on Tuesday, killing two uniformed National Guardsmen and wounding six people and himself in a hail of gunfire during the morning breakfast hour, authorities and witnesses said. A third person was killed in addition to the servicemembers. The gunman died at the hospital three hours after the shooting, Carson City Sheriff Kenny Furlong said.It wasn't immediately clear whether the gunman had any connection with the military or the guard, said Nevada National Guard Sgt. Mike Getten. He said guard members were meeting at the restaurant. Extra security measures were put place on state and military buildings in northern Nevada as a safety precaution.Image: Officers look through a bullet-damaged window of an IHOP restaurant Cathleen Allison  /  AP
A bullet-damaged window of the IHOP restaurant in Carson City, Nev. The sheriff said investigators believe only the one shooter was involved. The conditions and names of the victims were not released. Some of the victims were transported from the scene by helicopter, and others left by ambulance. The incident took place at the Carson City International House of Pancakes on South Carson Street. Ralph Swagler, owner of another restaurant near the IHOP told the Reno Gazette-Journal that he witnessed the 9 a.m. shooting. Swagler said he saw a man wearing a red shirt and black shorts pull up to the IHOP in blue minivan. The man then pulled out a rifle and shot a man on a motorcycle, then walked inside IHOP and started shooting, Swagler told the newspaper. The man then fired several shots at other businesses in the area, including the Locals Barbecue and the H&R Block."This happens in Third-World countries, not here," Swagler, owner of Locals Barbecue, told the newspaper. The minivan was registered locally, Furlong said.Local and state police and FBI agents descended on the scene on the main street in the state capital, also called U.S. 395. Yellow tape surrounded the parking lot near a Kohl's department store in a shopping complex across the street from a casino and hotel. A business in the area told NBC station KRNV TV that nearby businesses have been put on lockdown. "We just heard basically a string of gunshots, probably 5 to 7 back to back to back to back and then there was probably 30 second delay then an automatic weapon fired, probably 20 to 30 shots," said Gary Gamba, general sales manager at Michael Hohl Motors, which is across the street from the IHOP. This is a breaking news story.

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